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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 5:04 pm Post subject: CMHC |
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Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation (CMHC):
See also Tory MP John Cummins calls for a Gomery-style inquiry into leaky condos and Is there a LEAKY CONDO class action I might join?.
In general:
There are frequent updates and we like many of the features at CMHC's website but at this late stage in the leaky condo debacle, we would have expected more and better information for consumers on building envelope renovations, including some basic cost, time, materials and durability estimates. Without this information, it's impossible to tell if the fix is actually worth the cost.
For instance, how do we know a 'renovated' building won't leak again in 10 years when the warranty expires? What if problems persist before the expiry date? Even if the repair cost is covered, who wants to live through that kind of horror even once? Would a prospective buyer be well advised to risk buying a unit in a rainscreen-renovated complex?
We would also have expected more information on consumer protection strategies -- how to set up ongoing professional inspections and reserve fund studies, for example -- and how maintenance schemes operate in various jurisdictions. This is particularly important in B.C., where we have no legislative assistance. We're currently attempting this type of analysis at Condo Law FAQs, but it's a lengthy process that would benefit, to say the least, from CMHC's research resources.
It's become apparent since we began our investigation into leaky condos this summer that neither CMHC nor Statistics Canada seems to be tracking the crisis. Nor are we certain that the renovators themselves are tracking their work, which is particularly disturbing in view of some doubt expressed as to the efficacy of these repairs in at least two technical papers we've seen so far. (See our homepage for titles and links.
What we like:
To avoid being duped in a leaky condo re-sale, go to Re-Sale of Leaky Condos: Did the Buyer Know?, Updated August 2003, the first-rate study by former realtor Nancy Bain, which quotes Homeowner Protection Office (HPO) figures from 2002, when it was estimated that there were 65,000 leaky condos here, 50,000 of which had been identified. The report also points to the judgment from 2000 in Sask v. Brooke , in which the court says quite clearly that a B.C. seller’s disclosure shouldn't be relied on even when he’s the chairman of the strata council. Welcome to the B.C. real estate market. Visit our Condo Law FAQs forum for a more detailed review of this decision and its implications for buyers.
The report’s stats look very much like the old Barrett Commission figures still being bandied about despite numerous challenges to their accuracy. It’s not clear whether these figures take into account the leaky high-rise crisis now increasingly in evidence or the substandard owner-built, single-family homes reported by HPO in 2000. We prefer a more transparent calculation based on building permits in line with the e-mail posted at our Watchdog Forum from Vancouver’s chief building official. We're still trying to get the same information from other municipalities.
Nevertheless, numbers aside, we’re delighted with this very revealing report, which shows very clearly where legislative changes are required to protect consumers, who still discover to their surprise that they’ve purchased defective units even after competent, detailed inspections.
What we didn't like:
We are also impressed with CMHC’s Condominium Buyer’s Guide, although it doesn’t explain as clearly as it could that B.C. has no mandatory reserve fund studies or technical audits. Our legislation, for reasons known only to the drafters, omits these essential features, letting the construction industry off the hook and leaving the whole maintenance/renewal scheme up to inexpert consumers.
This is particularly irksome in view of the conclusions drawn in CMHC’s 2001 Building Failures Study, Technical Series 01-140, which recommends both professional audits and inspections at various intervals. Curiously, the Canadian Standards Association in S478-95 Guideline on Durability in Buildings Structures (Design) said the same thing way back in 1995, though we see no mention of this publication at the Buying, Maintaining, Renovating link, which is puzzling. (Click on our Condo Life Cycles forum to check for responses to our many queries regarding housing construction standards, though they've been very slow in coming).
CMHC’s buyer’s guide would be less misleading if it provided a chart listing statutory maintenance requirements for each province, including case studies of well-run complexes. Although the guide does a fair job of explaining audits and reserve studies, it doesn't go far enough to warn potential purchasers of the risk when buying into a corporation that doesn’t have these features firmly in place. And although we find the reality-based focus on repair and renewal a refreshing contrast to local real estate ad copy, which utterly ignores the issue (so far with impunity), we’re concerned about all this high-priced maintenance and what it says about the quality of condo construction generally.
Condo maintenance, particularly when all decisions must yield to an inexpert majority, seems to us a very onerous burden. The two key questions, in our view, are as follows:
| Quote: | 1. Are we answering the need for permanent housing with temporary construction not intended to last more than five or 10 years without expensive, invasive repairs?
2. What will be the impact of more than 30 years of substandard construction in B.C. without a mandatory maintenance/renewal scheme in place? New tarps are going up all the time. |
We speculate that if realistic maintenance costs were factored into the condo purchase price, it might be cheaper to save for a down payment on a single-family home -- but not one built by an owner since B.C. enacted the fraudster-friendly Homeowner Protection Act, which has allowed some owners to hire unlicensed contractors. (Check out our review of HPO at this forum for information contained in an article written by a senior HPO official on this issue in one of the Continuing Legal Education Society (CLE) texts on leaky condos).
We were delighted to discover CMHC’s brief online case studies of various types of repairs. Condo owners contemplating a new rainscreen can find out how it went at Strata Plan 109, a five-year-old, four-storey complex in New West. The report, called Envelope Rehabilitation of a Low-Rise Wood-Frame Residential Complex in B.C., documents various aspects of the reconstruction, which continued for 52 weeks at a cost of $2,196,166.96, including 7% GST. Two special levies were required to raise the funds. When a few owners couldn’t pay, the strata council foreclosed on them, a procedure now commonplace in B.C.
Strata owners are invited to have our repairs similarly documented, an invitation we view as a welcome call for transparency, though we were unable to reach the contact person, Luis de Miguel, at the e-mail address listed there. We'll let you know when we find him (scroll down) and if we see more case studies like this one.
We were less thrilled with CMHC’s materials on toxic mold, which is a vitally important issue to leaky condo owners. Please go to our Toxic Mold forum and Condo Law FAQs for more information. |
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Best Practice Guides for Wood-Frame Envelopes:
Yes, there is also the best practice guide, Wood-Frame Envelopes in the Coastal Climate of British Columbia, Revised 2001, but only highlights are listed at CMHC's website. They will sell it to you at the Order Desk for a hefty $89, but read it for free at Vancouver Public Library's Central Branch, where it's held in reserve on the Third Floor. |
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 9:35 am Post subject: |
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Desperately seeking Luis de Miguel:
| Quote: | From: editor [SMTP:editor@bccondos.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 9:31 AM
To: 'ldemigue@cmhc.schl.gc.ca'
Subject: Major Repair Case Studies
Dear Luis de Miguel,
We’re a consumer advocacy website at http://www.bccondos.ca devoted to B.C.’s ongoing leaky condo crisis, and we really like two features at your site: your excellent 2001 Building Failures report and the major repair case studies. We’d like to know if residents are taking you up on the offer to document their home repairs and how that project is progressing generally. We’d also like to know if you plan an update to the building failures report. Thanks very much in advance.
Editor@bccondos.ca |
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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CMHC's Highrise Discussion Board:
We were delighted to find this discussion forum, where one may behold the wonders of housing construction. We added responses to a few queries and posted this message just minutes ago:
Our first post to the Highrise Discussion Forum:
| Quote: | Message Added: Building Envelope Upgrade -- cost and durability estimates
The following information was added to the message board:
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Name: Editor Atbccondosdotca
E-Mail: editor@bccondos.ca
Subject: Building Envelope Upgrade -- cost and durability estimates
Body of Message:
Hello, discussion forum:
This kind of forum is a great idea, by the way.
The leaky condo crisis in B.C. has continued for 10 years now, and many of us are still going bankrupt here in the repair process. A few of us now run a consumer advocacy website devoted to the crisis at http://www.bccondos.ca. Our concern today is this: There must be some standard building envelope upgrade solutions from which cost and durability estimates might be made by now, and yet cost seems to vary considerably even among complexes of similar size and design.
Even more disturbing is the fact that despite the high cost of the repair, the most relevant factor in determining its cost-effectiveness, the length of its service life, is either generally unpredictable or in conflict with CSA guidelines.
Here's what we mean: We see from the sign on the front of their complex that residents at one of the three Delano bldgs on W. 4th Ave. are now undergoing repairs totalling more than $3 million. (Go to our Under Tarps forum to see the photos). But the statutory warranty is only for 10 years. This is very confusing, to say the least, in view of S478-95 Guideline on Durability in Buildings, s. 6.3.5 Component Service Life Related to Building Service Life, which states as follows:
Permanent components of a bldg (foundations, basement walls, and main structural members) should be expected to perform for the life of the building...Exterior claddings can normally be expected to provide service lives of 20 or more years. A cladding system requiring little maintenance for temporary buildings may require extensive maintenance if used on permanent buildings...
In addition, Table 2, Categories of Design Service Life for Buildings, lists the design service life of "most residential, commercial and office buildings" as 50-99 years.
You can see why we're troubled. There is a considerable difference between 10 years and 50-99 years. Are these CSA guidelines of no force or effect in B.C.?
At bottom, we're very concerned that residents here may be shelling out major bucks for a merely temporary fix. What effect will this have on re-sales? We shudder to think.
We're also concerned about unforeseen problems with buildings that arise after the special levy is passed and work begins. We know from the Delta decision that when engineers start opening up these buildings, many more defects are discovered. In addition, standards may have changed since the building was constructed. Are there minimal fixes that still satisfy the duty to repair and maintain common property and, if so, how can prospective buyers be alerted? We'd be delighted to hear from experts at one or more of the fora at our site, too. Thanks.
Editor@bccondos.ca
Added on Date: 14:47:47 9/09/2003
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The Highrise Forum replies:
| Quote: | Posted by/ Postée par LdeM on/à October 23, 2003 at 09:27:51:
In Reply to: Building Envelope Upgrade -- cost and durability estimates posted by/postée par Editor Atbccondosdotca on à September 09, 2003 at 14:47:47:
Thanks for your comment.
Obviously there is a difference between warranties provided by manufacturers and contractors and the guidelines, which are just that, guidelines. In general, we have found that if something endures the first three years it will then last the length of the warranty and much more. Everything else being equal.
We have a case study of a repair to a stucco-clad building in BC. You may find it here: http://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/en/imquaf/himu/bebufa_020.cfm.
I understand that builders must carry heavy insurance to back up the work they do - beyond that, make sure you engage an experienced architect or engineer and pay them to supervise thoroughly the builder's work. |
...This reply doesn't fill us with confidence, to say the least. Where is this three-year figure from? A technical paper by Kevin Chouinard and Mark Lawton, both of Morrison Hershfield, suggests that many buildings may take longer than three years to show problems of water ingress. Click on Rotting Wood Framed Apartments -Not Just a Vancouver Problem. See also Worldwide Condos.
We'll pursue the durability issue at CMHC's discussion forum. It's become particularly interesting in view of B.C. architects' recent call for a complete review of building envelope repair protocols. Look under Architects and Engineers for particulars.
Meanwhile, back at the Highrise Discussion Forum:
| Quote: | From: editor [mailto:editor@bccondos.ca]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:13 PM
To: 'ldemigue@cmhc.ca'
Subject: CMHC website -- very, very useful
We use online info from CMHC all the time at http://www.bccondos.ca and so do our visitors. In fact, our site has become such an authority on B.C.’s leaky construction crisis that we’ve been invited to make a presentation before the B.C. Building Envelope Council at our convenience. We were also invited to attend the latest leaky condo litigation seminar here in Vancouver last week. CMHC, especially Nancy Bain, the author of Leaky Condo Resales: Did the Buyer Know?, can take some of the credit for that. Although we haven’t liked everything we’ve seen at CMHC’s site, we can’t help admiring both the building repair case studies as well as this open and forthright discussion group.
Editor@bccondos.ca |
Luis de Miguel replies:
| Quote: | From: ldemigue@cmhc.ca [mailto:ldemigue@cmhc.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:28 AM
To: editor
Cc: jrobar@cmhc-schl.gc.ca; smarshal@cmhc-schl.gc.ca; srothwel@cmhc-schl.gc.ca; amartins@cmhc-schl.gc.ca
Subject: CMHC website -- very, very useful
Dear editor,
Thank you very much for your kind words. It is very gratifying that clients take the time to congratulate our efforts.
We will strive to improve our work and be even more responsive to your needs. In that regard, if there is a particular topic you would like to see us research, or if you would like more information please do not hesitate to ask.
Your encouragement is the best reward. Thank you again,
Luis de Miguel, arch.
CMHC/SCHL
613.748-2046 |
Back to us:
| Quote: | From: editor [mailto:editor@bccondos.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 2:52 PM
To: 'ldemigue@cmhc.ca'
Subject: CMHC website -- very, very useful
Oh, yes. In view of the B.C. architects’ recent call for a full review of building envelope protocols, the liability insurance crisis here and the strange gap between CSA durability guidelines and statutory warranties, we’d like to hear A LOT more about leaky building renovation work. It’s not even clear at this point that the industry is tracking its work on these complexes. All we know is what we’ve read of the three-volume durability conference proceedings from 1999 along with several papers available at various engineering websites that cast a cold eye on the technology. At the moment, it’s quite difficult to dissolve a strata corporation so this is not seen as a viable option, but there has to be some method of calculating when the repair cost exceeds the value of the property. What’s missing from the calculation is the risk factor. We have not yet been able to get reconstruction designers to explain the true risk of failure for this kind of work, yet it’s fairly common knowledge that many stratas here are on repair no. 2 and no. 3. Maybe if they can come anonymously to your discussion group, they’ll talk about it.
Ed. |
Again, Luis de Miguel replies:
| Quote: | From: <ldemigue@cmhc.ca>
To: "editor" <editor@bccondos.ca>
Cc: <splescia@cmhc-schl.gc.ca>; <nconnoll@cmhc-schl.gc.ca>; <adobie@cmhc-schl.gc.ca>; <jrobar@cmhc-schl.gc.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:26 AM
Subject: CMHC website -- very, very useful
Hello,
I am passing your message on to the person most involved in BC and to CMHC staff there, in hopes that they will take action.
We have organized and participated in several conferences in the past, but perhaps, we could organize one dealing specifically with costs and risk.
CMHC has been involved with the BC condo crisis since early 1990 and we have produced a Best Practice Guide on wood frame for the coastal climate of British Columbia. You can find information here:
http://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/en/imquaf/himu/wofrenbc_001.cfm.
We will keep you posted.
Thanks again,
Luis de Miguel, arch.
CMHC/SCHL
613.748.2046 |
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2003 11:03 am Post subject: |
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Re-Sale of Leaky Condos report now available online:
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2003 11:05 am Post subject: |
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A note of thanks:
| Quote: | From: editor [SMTP:editor@bccondos.ca]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 10:54 AM
To: 'dconner@cmhc-schl.gc.ca'
Subject: Re-sale of Leaky Condos: Did the Buyer Know
Good morning to you, too, and thank you. This report has caused quite a stir in these parts, let me tell me. If you have minute, take a look at our Watchdog Forum for recent e-mails from the Realty Times editor and the report author, Nancy Bain. Thanks again. We’ll put it up right away.
Editor@bccondos.ca |
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